1. dmick89's Avatar
    MJ's orig comments are a matter of public record. Most know Rob's approach - and what I quoted from MJ is something most people following Elite for 2 years already know about Rob's approach.. I didn't need to quote anyone to prove it. That's what I mean about your being new. You'd know that - if you'd been here a while. It's also why I was a little surprised by Rob's referring to all I said as "pure shiz".. I'm sure he was referring to my 'opinion' that the Elite brand was no longer 'in a class by itself' as of Eli7e. Naturally he'd disagree with that 'opinion' of mine.
    I see you're going to keep going with this. While MJ's comments are a matter of record, it's prudent for the individual accusing another of something to provide the proof within their own comment or shortly thereafter when provoked to provide it. It's how most communities operate and I assumed this one was similar to 99.999% of communities that came before it, both on the internet and in the real world going back to 12,000 BC. Accusing a man of something without proof has been, in some communities over that time, a capital offense.

    It seems very clear based on Rob's and MJ's own comments that they disagree strongly with what you said and it is therefore on you to provide clear proof they are wrong. Otherwise, we are left to believe them and you unfortunately lose credibility, or in some civilizations, might have been hanged for the wrongdoing.

    Internet life is, as you've said, not so different than real civilizations. People behave similarly, but in more stronger and overt ways than they otherwise would. It creates more conflict, but the great thing about the digital age, and the communities it spawned, is that there is digital proof of communication that can be provided, when asked, to refute someone's own words.

    I stand by what I said initially and since. You need no education in a specific community to understand that you should have 1) differentiated between your opinions and fact in a more concise manner and 2) provided evidence that Rob did as you said since you knew he was present in the conversation and would refute it if untrue. I merely pointed to the advances that this digital age has provided in that you should have some form of communication from MJ to prove what you said. It was your responsibility to provide it.

    Though it's less an offense than capital punishment, many bar fights have been caused in what I guess would be relatively recent years since I have already referred to 12,000 BC because a patron accused another of doing something. Many times the accuser was right and a fight still broke out. You had to know what you said would be refuted if untrue. I challenge you to find a single community, real or imagined, that has not had those same principles.

    Much of this comment was in jest so please respond accordingly.
    2014-04-07 08:12 PM
  2. Bo Troxell's Avatar
    How fun. This thread is still rockin'. It is indeed a "great debate".
    2014-04-07 08:20 PM
  3. Krima's Avatar
    How fun. This thread is still rockin'. It is indeed a "great debate".
    I know right. Just think, this all started because NewD and I couldn't get along. We fought in every thread and now we all have this place. Thanks Simon.
    2014-04-07 08:24 PM
  4. pioneer88's Avatar
    This font is amazing. Also someone should seriously update the app, it looks diabolical on iOS7.
    2014-04-07 08:33 PM
  5. GUNNY29's Avatar
    I know right. Just think, this all started because NewD and I couldn't get along. We fought in every thread and now we all have this place. Thanks Simon.
    That's getting more annoying than "Squad Up" lol
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    2014-04-07 08:35 PM
  6. Krima's Avatar
    That's getting more annoying than "Squad Up" lol
    I'm confused. What exactly is annoying?
    2014-04-07 08:37 PM
  7. GUNNY29's Avatar
    I'm confused. What exactly is annoying?
    The fact you and NewD constantly point out this thread was made for you and him.
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    2014-04-07 08:39 PM
  8. Krima's Avatar
    The fact you and NewD constantly point out this thread was made for you and him.
    Fair enough. It's the truth though. Just fun to think about the beginning and how far we have all come. My apologies if u find that annoying. Seems like a very small thing. Remember, I'm just some guy on the internet.
    2014-04-07 08:41 PM
  9. GUNNY29's Avatar
    Fair enough. It's the truth though. Just fun to think about the beginning and how far we have all come. My apologies if u find that annoying. Seems like a very small thing. Remember, I'm just some guy on the internet.
    It's annoying because it appears Simon and NewD were the first participants so your claim is false
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    2014-04-07 08:42 PM
  10. Krima's Avatar
    It's annoying because it appears Simon and NewD were the first participants so your claim is false
    Then I'm mistaken. I was always under the impression that Simon created it because of our back and forth. I thought I remember Simon and I having that conversation. Still seems like a silly thing to get hung up on but in the future I'll make sure that I don't make the huge mistake of including myself into the reason for this threads inception. I hope this will make u less annoyed.
    2014-04-07 08:48 PM
  11. NewD's Avatar
    Then I'm mistaken. I was always under the impression that Simon created it because of our back and forth. I thought I remember Simon and I having that conversation. Still seems like a silly thing to get hung up on but in the future I'll make sure that I don't make the huge mistake of including myself into the reason for this threads inception. I hope this will make u less annoyed.
    You're right Krima. Actually Simon clipped out 'my' comments from the earliest debate which included him answering me back about something he thought I was off on. BUT you were in that conversation too and show up quickly enough. And it was mostly about 'me' blathering on about this or that.. I can't believe some of the stuff that motivated me back then..

    SOO past that... So Gunny's understanding is 'quite' on.. The majority of the time things got moved it - was about you and me.. LOL!!
    2014-04-07 08:53 PM
  12. Krima's Avatar
    Either way, it's a silly thing to care about. Don't much care about who exactly is responsible but I guess it matters to some.
    2014-04-07 08:55 PM
  13. GUNNY29's Avatar
    Then I'm mistaken. I was always under the impression that Simon created it because of our back and forth. I thought I remember Simon and I having that conversation. Still seems like a silly thing to get hung up on but in the future I'll make sure that I don't make the huge mistake of including myself into the reason for this threads inception. I hope this will make u less annoyed.
    Thank you for your assistant on this matter. I greatly appreciate it
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    2014-04-07 08:55 PM
  14. Krima's Avatar
    Thank you for your assistant on this matter. I greatly appreciate it
    No problem man. I try to help when I can. I'm glad u cleared this mystery up. I'm sure it was eating away at a few people here. We should tackle more of life's great mysteries together.
    2014-04-07 08:58 PM
  15. GUNNY29's Avatar
    No problem man. I try to help when I can. I'm glad u cleared this mystery up. I'm sure it was eating away at a few people here. We should tackle more of life's great mysteries together.
    Before we head out on adventures together we need to find our equivalent to the mystery machine. If we can't then that a deal breaker I will remain a Lone Ranger.
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    2014-04-07 08:59 PM
  16. NewD's Avatar
    Now this was useless, NewDy.
    Useless and elitist.
    Fair enough - Frogman.. But it was true.

    I see you're going to keep going with this. While MJ's comments are a matter of record, it's prudent for the individual accusing another of something to provide the proof within their own comment or shortly thereafter when provoked to provide it. It's how most communities operate and I assumed this one was similar to 99.999% of communities that came before it, both on the internet and in the real world going back to 12,000 BC. Accusing a man of something without proof has been, in some communities over that time, a capital offense.
    There was NO accusing in my words at all. If you read more carefully - you'd immediately see that you've blown this WAY out of proportion.

    It seems very clear based on Rob's and MJ's own comments that they disagree strongly with what you said and it is therefore on you to provide clear proof they are wrong.
    One can't prove and 'opinion wrong or right', Dmick.. I provided my 'opinion' and Rob and Mj don't think about Eli7e the way I do. GREAT!! No prob.. MJ's observation of Rob's approach to themeing - which was my original comment - 'before I gave my opinion' - she agreed that she stated 'early in beta'.. So again - no proof necessary.. As a few posts back - she just verified - that she indeed make that particular observation about Rob's approach. And SHE knows his approach VERY well. So 'my original comment' about Rob's approach to match UI to icons - is again proved correct. It's only my OPINIONS about what matching iOS7 givens to Eli7e - NOT being as good as prior Elite versions -- THAT OPINION they disagree with..

    If you can't see the distinction -- then you just choose to troll me here. And I'm not in the mood for a 'troll' right now.. So *PLONK* - you are now on ignore. Don't bother responding as I won't see your response. Don't worry. I keep a short account of wrongs.. You'll be off ignore soon enough. Krima knows.. He's been on ignore scores of times..
    2014-04-07 09:01 PM
  17. Krima's Avatar
    Well Gunny, life is full of tough choices. If going at it alone is what's best for u, then I support u 100%.
    2014-04-07 09:01 PM
  18. iRyanKGT's Avatar
    It's annoying because it appears Simon and NewD were the first participants so your claim is false
    Before I get shot, what's your end game brother? You nitpick at every little thing. How is your bp not through the roof? What is the actual satisfaction you get out of proving a point? Or stirring up trouble. Picking on the "little" guys?

    I don't understand, but hey I ain't nobody...
    2014-04-07 09:03 PM
  19. GUNNY29's Avatar
    Before I get shot, what's your end game brother? You nitpick at every little thing. How is your bp not through the roof? What is the actual satisfaction you get out of proving a point? Or stirring up trouble. Picking on the "little" guys?

    I don't understand, but hey I ain't nobody...
    Somebody missed it lol

    He who it was directed at didn't.

    Nitpick at every little thing? I rarely post now and when I do 98% I'm "trying" to have a laugh. As we discussed in this thread yesterday my British humour tends to be confused for petty digs at people. Don't get me wrong I can give digs as good as anyone.


    Oh here we go I was staying out of this and just making little remarks to lighten mood but "pick on little guys".

    Once I've had my dinner I will be back to post a series of short-medium length posts.
    Last edited by GUNNY29; 2014-04-07 at 09:22 PM.
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    2014-04-07 09:05 PM
  20. Krima's Avatar
    Before I get shot, what's your end game brother?
    I don't understand, but hey I ain't nobody...
    Gunny is just playing around I think. He does care very much for me and that's ok. Not everyone is going to get along. Regardless of personality differences, I just always hope that things don't get personal and resort to hurtful name calling. There are always much better ways to settle a disagreement. And a lot of times that's all that it is, a simple disagreement. If u let it, this can turn into meaning way more than it needs to be.
    2014-04-07 09:13 PM
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