[luvmytj]

So I guess I can sue Mercedes Benz now since I had to go through them to get a new key as it is considered a security part and they are only available through the dealer. How is this any different? If they didn't do it someone would sue cause it was to easy to steal their info. Freaking lawyers...

[Caiden Spencer]

So I guess I can sue Mercedes Benz now since I had to go through them to get a new key as it is considered a security part and they are only available through the dealer. How is this any different? If they didn't do it someone would sue cause it was to easy to steal their info. Freaking lawyers...

I guess you can haha!

[Ambi_Valence]

So I guess I can sue Mercedes Benz now since I had to go through them to get a new key as it is considered a security part and they are only available through the dealer. How is this any different? If they didn't do it someone would sue cause it was to easy to steal their info. Freaking lawyers...

Nice try but not quite. I can still use the key to get into the car and do various things, admittedly not drive it but a car isn’t quite the same. Also neither their warranty or EULA state anything even close to 'security part’.

Apple brick the phone. Completely. Given that TouchID is a convenience, not a necessity, the system should block out the parts that would utilise it and fall back to the passcode which is the first level of security in the device hierarchy anyway.

[bmwraw8482]

So I guess I can sue Mercedes Benz now since I had to go through them to get a new key as it is considered a security part and they are only available through the dealer..

You obviously stole your Mercedes! [emoji12]

[cpotoso]

Sounds reasonable. Apple should perhaps disable the touch ID device (and any item that DEPENDS on it, and can't be opened with a password) but should not disable the entire phone. Also: why can't the hashed fingerprints be stored in the phone rather than in the sensor? This actually seems backwards and a serious security issue.

[vinaygoel2000]

Nice try but not quite. I can still use the key to get into the car and do various things, admittedly not drive it but a car isn’t quite the same. Also neither their warranty or EULA state anything even close to 'security part’.

Apple brick the phone. Completely. Given that TouchID is a convenience, not a necessity, the system should block out the parts that would utilise it and fall back to the passcode which is the first level of security in the device hierarchy anyway.

Not being able to drive a car is the same as bricking it. I don't go in my car to listen to music or have sex. I go in it to drive it.

[FreshOutTheWash]

Not being able to drive a car is the same as bricking it. I don't go in my car to listen to music or have sex. I go in it to drive it.

Hmmmm... Me and you have two completely different uses for our cars I guess....

[vinaygoel2000]

Hmmmm... Me and you have two completely different uses for our cars I guess....

What do u use your car for, if I may ask?

[ZipZapp]

So I guess I can sue Mercedes Benz now since I had to go through them to get a new key as it is considered a security part and they are only available through the dealer. How is this any different? If they didn't do it someone would sue cause it was to easy to steal their info. Freaking lawyers...

I was told when I bought the car that if I lose my car key it is very expensive to replace, and that I can only replace via the dealer.

When did Apple do the same?

Not every dealer requires that they key be purchased through them and key shops surely know when the can and cannot replace a key.

Apple kept their information a secret from consumers and repair shops, bricked phones and also turned away those seeking help claiming there was nothing they could do. All the while they knew that they could sell the consumer a new home button and pair it to the motherboard.

Bottom line for me, its a phone and not a car. Bricking the phone was going too far considering there was as effective things they could have done.

[ericidle]

Have you ever heard of anyone having this error on their iPhone, No? me neither!

Yet the Papers and News Media are full of it, saying thousands are affected due Apples arrogance!

So what is Error53, well it’s an errors caused by getting a non-approved repair to your iPhone home button which included the Touch ID controller, this is the sensor which protects your security on the iPhone and is unbreakable (excuse the pun) even by Apple or Government agencies. These agencies aren’t happy about that as they can’t access your phone without your consent. If a non-approved repair is made it can corrupt the biometrics data securely stored and this makes the iPhone useless, this is an integral part of the security mechanism so that anyone trying to defeat this security feature by removing or replacing the fingerprint scanner won’t be able to access the iPhone. This is a perfectly sensible way to protect your iPhone from unauthorised intrusion. If anyone was allowed to bypass this it would effectively be the backdoor that security agencies are asking for. If Apples security could be overcome by simply changing the home button, there would have been a media outcry about how weak their security was

Apple have led the fight for personal security against big brother intrusion and have taken this to the Whitehouse meeting with government departments to explain their position. Apple themselves have no back door and cannot access your device by any means, so security agencies have threatened to take them to court to introduce one, or to prevent the sale of these devices in certain countries (Britain included) this pressure so far has come to nothing.

So what do these Security agencies do now……………

Here’s a thought, why not whip up a media storm about Apple arrogantly forcing you to use only high price Apple approved repairers to replace this sensor, claiming that thousands of anonymous “people” have been affected and have been left with a £600 paperweight, then get news media and press together to pressure Apple to weaken their security and allow anyone to bypass this vital security feature.

Who would be the winner there I ask you? The thousands of anonymous “people” who have reputedly managed to damage beyond repair the home button on their iPhone 5S, 6 or 6S and tried to save a few pounds by risking their £600 iPhone with a backstreet repair shop

Or the security services who have been unable to convince the courts to force Apple to give them a backdoor………. #justsayin


Oops must dash there’s someone at the door!!

[ZipZapp]

Have you ever heard of anyone having this error on their iPhone, No? me neither!

Yet the Papers and News Media are full of it, saying thousands are affected due Apples arrogance!

So what is Error53, well it’s an errors caused by getting a non-approved repair to your iPhone home button which included the Touch ID controller, this is the sensor which protects your security on the iPhone and is unbreakable (excuse the pun) even by Apple or Government agencies. These agencies aren’t happy about that as they can’t access your phone without your consent. If a non-approved repair is made it can corrupt the biometrics data securely stored and this makes the iPhone useless, this is an integral part of the security mechanism so that anyone trying to defeat this security feature by removing or replacing the fingerprint scanner won’t be able to access the iPhone. This is a perfectly sensible way to protect your iPhone from unauthorised intrusion. If anyone was allowed to bypass this it would effectively be the backdoor that security agencies are asking for. If Apples security could be overcome by simply changing the home button, there would have been a media outcry about how weak their security was

Apple have led the fight for personal security against big brother intrusion and have taken this to the Whitehouse meeting with government departments to explain their position. Apple themselves have no back door and cannot access your device by any means, so security agencies have threatened to take them to court to introduce one, or to prevent the sale of these devices in certain countries (Britain included) this pressure so far has come to nothing.

So what do these Security agencies do now……………

Here’s a thought, why not whip up a media storm about Apple arrogantly forcing you to use only high price Apple approved repairers to replace this sensor, claiming that thousands of anonymous “people” have been affected and have been left with a £600 paperweight, then get news media and press together to pressure Apple to weaken their security and allow anyone to bypass this vital security feature.

Who would be the winner there I ask you? The thousands of anonymous “people” who have reputedly managed to damage beyond repair the home button on their iPhone 5S, 6 or 6S and tried to save a few pounds by risking their £600 iPhone with a backstreet repair shop

Or the security services who have been unable to convince the courts to force Apple to give them a backdoor………. #justsayin


Oops must dash there’s someone at the door!!

Thanks for sharing these useless thoughts and opinions. It is a real issue and one that Apple will now be forced to fix via an update. That is the whole point of this threat from lawyers.

Otherwise, Apple will do what they always do...let years go by before the concede and fix.

BTW...whats this got to dash line??? Silly.

[Purple Minion]

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths fanboys will go to try to defend Apple. No matter what Apple says or does, they always defend them. In my opinion that's not loyalty, it's stupidity.

[luvmytj]

It has nothing to do with fanboys. It has everything to do with security. Do I want someone to get my credit card info, etc? If any ole person can replace your security feature it really isn't that secure so Apple rightfully makes it near impossible to do. It all makes perfect sense to reasonable people. The same reason I can go to Home depot and have my Mercedes keys, they have to be gotten via the dealer only as a security part. Stupidity would be to allow anyone to make that repair, makes sense now doesn't it. And if you are an Apple hater why are you here anyways?

[szr]

@luvmytj: Disabling that feature is well and good, but disabling the entire device is completely unnecessary and unwarranted.

[Caiden Spencer]

@luvmytj: Disabling that feature is well and good, but disabling the entire device is completely unnecessary and unwarranted.

Correct and this little handy tweak prevents that

[luvmytj]

@luvmytj: Disabling that feature is well and good, but disabling the entire device is completely unnecessary and unwarranted.

If it doesn't disable it what would the point of having it at all? Disabling it is the security part of it all, bypassing it would render a fingerprint useless and allow stolen phones to be used. The whole point is to keep data secure and to prevent stolen phones from being sold as useable devices.

[szr]

@luvmytj: I understand what you mean, but it should not just be inexplicably bricking the device. If anything, it should ask for the owner's apple id to be entered when restoring, like it does already. Issuing (seemingly) random errors just doesn't seem to be the right way to go about this.

[luvmytj]

Looks like they have released an update to address the issue so problem solved I suppose.