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  1. larrygu's Avatar
    I am having problem with Intelliscreen 2.22 on firmware 2.1. It causes system becoming slower and slower and eventually app cannot be opened anymore. A reboot will solve the problem, but happens again after running for a while.

    I wonder anyone else has the same problem? It seems 2.22 uses different mechanism but I suspect if it messes up with memory that causes app cannot be openned (due to insufficient memory).
    2008-09-23 10:55 AM
  2. one1's Avatar
    2.22 does not leak memory, so you need to find out what is conflicting and fix it. The memory leak you have is not part of 2.22, it's the best version that has been released to date. Your problem is elsewhere. You need to get a system info app so you can see what is running and what it it using.
    2008-09-23 02:05 PM
  3. hartphoto's Avatar
    one1:

    Can you post some source for your response? Have you used a memory/cpu monitor on your iPhone to see the activity going on? What's the name of the program? Is it a cydia app or App store app?

    I skipped several versions of IS when I upgraded to 2.1 (basically they all didn't work well). I watch the posts for IS daily here in the IS thread. Followed the change log, saw that 2.22 was supposedly a good clean release. Well, for me, it's the worst I've ever seen. Check my previous posts, I usually have no problems with IS (defended it on several occasions).

    So, yesterday, I installed 2.22 IS and my phone did the exact same thing as the OP. Turned off IS and the problem stopped. Uninstalled IS, reinstalled IS, and problem came back. Note that this problem occurred with me not using the phone at all. I rebooted after installing IS, and then the phone sat idle and locked while I worked (over an hour). When I went to slide to unlock, the phone was unresponsive, even the slide to unlock 'glimmer' didn't work. About 15-20 seconds later, the phone would go to springboard, but it was as if the touch screen was 15-20 seconds behind what I was doing (whether opening an app, or even just scrolling across pages).

    Note that I have very limited apps on my phone (it's a business device, an extension of my MBP when I'm not sitting in front of it). I have 13 App Store apps (some free, some paid, no 'cracked apps'). Jailbroken apps only consist of Cydia, BossPrefs, Cycorder, Winterboard and HP Calculator. That's it.

    Even with IS I have many of the features turned off. I only use the missed calls, weather, sms, ical and email. No sports feeds set up. I use IS mainly to alert me for missed calls, as my phone sits idle while I work.
    2008-09-23 02:50 PM
  4. amf's Avatar
    I agree completely with the above post. The latest iteration of IS significantly slows down the iPhone. I love the app and looking forward to the version the fixes the slowdown.
    2008-09-23 03:04 PM
  5. jwcrash's Avatar
    The following quote is VERY telling about the underlaying stability of IS. I'm a fan of the app's functionality, but there's no way I'm buying it until these issues have been dealt with.

    IntelliScreen is a buggy monstrosity of doom. I get reports every single day about IntelliScreen issues. It simply crashes /a lot/, and sometimes it puts you into a state where you have to restore. Personally, I find this unacceptable.

    To handle situations of buggy extensions, I designed Mobile Safe Mode. If SpringBoard crashes (and it has to crash: seriously crash) then you will get put into Safe Mode with all extensions disabled. This is a really awesome feature and really saves the day when an extension goes nuts.

    Unfortunately, IntelliScreen seems to have been relying on the fact that their (incredibly buggy) product would crash and SpringBoard would /usually/ restart, and no one would really notice. In response to all this, they want me to modify Mobile Safe Mode to give their program a chance to sort of work again.

    Personally, I don't really believe in that model: they should just fix their software. It is really important that you be able to get into Cydia to be able to uninstall their extension if it doesn't work, and all of their models of "what about if it crashes twice in a row" don't solve the problem of extensions that only crash when, for example, you try to do something important.

    Besides, there are all kinds of extensions that are out there: WinterBoard, Dock2, QuickGold, from a bunch of developers, and IntelliScreen is the only one that has common, persistent issues. I finally got mad at them yesterday and removed them from the Featured page as they are simply refusing to play along with these safety nets.

    Today I'm going to push an update to Mobile Substrate that clarifies the wording in that dialog box to make certain users understand that this is an issue /with the extensions/ (and probably say "likely IntelliScreen") and has absolutely nothing to do with a failure in Mobile Substrate.
    Saurik is one of the most respected voices around here...and Intelliborn is not responding to what seem to be very legitimate concerns.
    PLEASE click everyone's "Thanks" buttons...they are begging for it.
    2008-09-23 03:49 PM
  6. one1's Avatar
    it-doesn't-slow-down-the-phone. There is a conflict, you need to find the conflict. If I can run it with no problems, and you can run it WITH problems...... guess who doesn't have the conflict? If the app slowed down the phone, I'd be running slow.......
    2008-09-23 03:50 PM
  7. hartphoto's Avatar
    it-doesn't-slow-down-the-phone. There is a conflict, you need to find the conflict. If I can run it with no problems, and you can run it WITH problems...... guess who doesn't have the conflict? If the app slowed down the phone, I'd be running slow.......
    This is a nah-nah post. Useless. Just because you don't have issues with IS doesn't mean there aren't issues. one1 I usually read your posts with interest as they are well thought out, courteous and on-target (at least all the ones I've seen ). Maybe you are having an off day? My response to you wasn't meant to be offensive, just asking for how you came to a response that some other software someone might have loaded is having a memory leak and that IS isn't? What features of IS do you have enabled? Name the jailbroken and App Store apps you have loaded? Maybe that will help?

    My iPhone setup hasn't changed from 2.0 to 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 to now 2.1, save for loading an app called X-Plane. I don't randomly add an app (App store or Cydia) just to check it out then delete it. IS has always had issues of some type for me since 2.x came around, and I don't seem to be the only one. Until now, we don't have a commonality of what is causing the problem, save for the similarity of people installing IS.
    2008-09-23 04:09 PM
  8. Shinner23's Avatar
    I have to concur with one1, since the latest update of IS, my phone is working fine. I'm sorry some are having problems, but I'm not...now. The last version was terribly buggy.
    2008-09-23 04:19 PM
  9. one1's Avatar
    I'm not having an off day, I'm telling you how it is.

    You still don't quite seem to get this.... if I can run with no problems, and you can't it DOES mean "YOU" have the conflict, not the program. If the program had the conflict, ALL users would be affected. That's a well thought out answer for you........... simple deduction, truth. You can't have an app with a fatal flaw that only decides it want to fatal flaw every third person and the rest of the time the same code has no flaws UNLESS every third person has a conflict.

    It's just like the old Dock program and Stacks. People who had one or the other raved about them, people who had them both together couldn't see through their garbled screen well enough to even turn one or the other off.

    What does it conflict with? Customize has been rumored to cause issues, but I don't know... I don't have an issue. (further proof of concept)

    I'll tell you what it doesn't have a problem with..............


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    - notes of interest:
    * I'm doing it on the "incredibly buggy" 2.01 that supposedly crashes everything (ZERO issues with any app)
    * I'm doing it with over 90 apps installed.
    * I'm doing it with winterboard AND Customize BOTH installed working together.
    * I'm doing it on both my 2.01 phone and my 2.1 phone flawlessly.
    Last edited by one1; 2008-09-23 at 04:28 PM.
    2008-09-23 04:22 PM
  10. amf's Avatar
    one1:

    That's it! You're still on FW 2.01. The problem with IS slowdowns started with the latest iPhone FW (2.1).
    2008-09-23 04:28 PM
  11. one1's Avatar
    one1:

    That's it! You're still on FW 2.01. The problem with IS slowdowns started with the latest iPhone FW (2.1).
    No! That's not it!

    You aren't reading what I wrote...... I have two phones and one touch.

    touch - 1.1.4
    8g phone 1- 2.01
    8g phone 2- 2.1


    2008-09-23 04:33 PM
  12. amf's Avatar
    Nah.. you edited your post as I posted mine. Take a look at the time (8:28 am. Time of your edit and time I posted).
    2008-09-23 04:37 PM
  13. one1's Avatar
    I'm not saying intelliscreen isn't a nasty little program, because it is. I've said it many times..... but the latest update is fan-tastic. (if you don't have conflicting programs installed)
    2008-09-23 04:41 PM
  14. hartphoto's Avatar
    Upgrade the 2G 8g iPhone to 2.1 and see what happens with IS at 2.22.
    2008-09-23 04:43 PM
  15. one1's Avatar
    Upgrade the 2G 8g iPhone to 2.1 and see what happens with IS at 2.22.
    You're not reading either.......

    ........which makes this pointless. I'll head to another thread.
    2008-09-23 04:46 PM
  16. jwcrash's Avatar
    I'm not saying intelliscreen isn't a nasty little program, because it is.
    Doesn't this pretty much say it all? one1 is a prolific defender of IS...and look at how even he describes it.
    PLEASE click everyone's "Thanks" buttons...they are begging for it.
    2008-09-23 04:51 PM
  17. NArush's Avatar
    Well, if I can add my little .02 cents: on my 2.1 3G, I couldn't even get it to boot up without getting tossed into safe mode. After getting on line the IS tech guy, nothing worked and he eventually said he couldn't do anything for me. So, I email Saurik and told him what I was told about mobile substrate being the issue. He emailed me back with 15 minutes with the short version of the previous post about IS being 'buggy'. I believe Suarik - because it is buggy on 2.1! Have any of you gone to the trouble shooting forum? Well those are beta testers and all of them have issues. Their purpose is to work out the bugs. Maybe later down the road the bugs will be gone, but for now IS is buggy. I love the app, but it is what it is. It took a restore to get my IS to even turn on. Even now it's slow and skips, but because it's still 'in process' I'm hangin' tight.
    2008-09-23 05:02 PM
  18. jwcrash's Avatar
    After getting on line the IS tech guy, nothing worked and he eventually said he couldn't do anything for me.
    Just curious: did you buy the $50 version that includes tech support or were they helping you out on a $20 license?
    PLEASE click everyone's "Thanks" buttons...they are begging for it.
    2008-09-23 05:06 PM
  19. NArush's Avatar
    Just curious: did you buy the $50 version that includes tech support or were they helping you out on a $20 license?
    Yea, they were helping me with my $19.95 or so license.
    2008-09-23 05:13 PM
  20. hartphoto's Avatar
    You're not reading either.......

    ........which makes this pointless. I'll head to another thread.
    Game on I guess.

    Maybe you're not listening? Until now, all we've accomplished with our banter is that we don't have the same physical iPhone environments, which actually is progress.

    Or maybe, I guess I'm just not getting it (but please read on). I can't read or watch a video correctly. 16 years of schooling, then 22 years of having a Bachelor of Science degree in Electronic Engineering down the tubes.

    touch - 1.1.4
    8g phone 1- 2.01
    8g phone 2- 2.1
    This doesn't tell us what physical version of iPhone is running what version software, and neither does the video (one assumes that the iPhone in the video is a 2G, based on your current posts, which shows we have different environments, to which we currently both agree). That is, unless one assumes [engineers don't assume] that both iPhones you list are 2G iPhones, which is unlikely, as most owners of two iPhones, would buy a 2G iPhone then upgrade to a 3G.

    Are both of your iPhones 2G versions? Remember: Editing your post above mine counts as cheating

    Just did a restore on my 2G 8g iPhone with iTunes 7.7, with iTunes reporting the latest iPhone software, v2.1. No problems.

    Then ran QuickPWN 1.1 (latest version). No problems.

    Ran Cydia, which updated 5 things (apt, mmi Repo, couldn't catch the others). Reboot (power on/off only - no BigBoss apps). No problems.

    Ran Cydia again, this time installing IS 2.22. Install as expected, with the message to reboot (again, no BigBoss Prefs app-so it's power off/on).

    Immediately at Power On, the iPhone went into emergency only mode, and put up the 'Connect to iTunes' message.

    Turned iPhone off, then back on, shows the 'iPhone is Activated' message and is immediately giving Saurik's 'Safe Mode' message. Has done this on every reboot (power on/off) 5 times now.

    Uninstalled IS. Resprings back to normal SpringBoard. No problems. Reboot (power on/off). No problems.

    Reinstall IS. Back to safe mode on every reboot.

    This is a completely different issue of what I was having when I installed IS 2.22 yesterday (the slowdown issue). Different app environment. Can't even get past rebooting with IS installed to get the other apps loaded I had previously (Cycorder, BigBoss Prefs, HP Calculator and Winterboard).

    After a year of J/B'ing (since v1.02) I've not experienced anything this unstable. IS on 1.1.4 wasn't like this. It wasn't this bad on 2.0.1. On 2.0.2 it ran, but only intermittently showed up on the lock screen. Definitely a YMMV app (wrt the 2.22 release).

    The only other way to get even less of a clean 2.1 J/B environment on my 2G 8g iPhone is to redo the restore process and choose the option for setting it up as a new iPhone. Nope. Not going to happen. I love IS also (paid for two licenses!). I'll watch the others having the same IS issue, see if psuskeels releases another IS update, wait a day or two to see if the issue is resolved and test it.
    Last edited by hartphoto; 2008-09-23 at 08:25 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
    2008-09-23 08:25 PM
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