1. Kyle Matthews's Avatar


    Cydia, the brainchild of Jay Freeman (saurik), is out. What is it? Think Installer, but open source and more features. The technical description, for those who get it, is a GUI front-end for a port of the Debian APT system which saurik himself ported to the iPhone, along with a whole suite of Unix utilities he's also ported.

    This isn't a replacement for Installer - I have both installed, and apps from both packagers on my iPhone. Saurik also says the same thing - "Cydia/APT does not conflict with Installer. I run both on my phone and have a large amount of software installed via Installer. There are currently no known compatibility issues between applications that expect BSD Subsystem to be installed and devices running Telesphoreo, and no reason to suspect anything major on that front. Finally, no one is forcing anyone, packagers and users alike, to start using Cydia instead of Installer."



    Cydia is easy for you to get on your iPhone - if you've got Installer on your iPhone/iPod Touch (and have used BigBoss's tool to move your apps folder to give you more space - that's in Installer also), you just add http://apptapp.saurik.com to your sources, and install Cydia Packager from the System category. Give it 5 minutes (its a big install), and you're good to go.



    You may notice Cydia is at the moment very developer friendly - many of the available installs are Unix utilities which the average user won't need. ModMyI, and especially francis (of the MMi sponsored DRP Dev Team, and author of WiSync) have been working with saurik to put together a variety of other apps as well - games, themes, utilities, and more. Anything can be installed from Cydia.



    So... what's the point? Here's a few features of Cydia:

    • Open Source - while this doesn't directly affect the average user, it is incredibly useful for developers, and bugs are also easily reportable via the project's Trac site.
    • Search - Cydia has a great built in Search function (screenshots earlier in this post), and also the iPhone's Contacts-style alphabet scroll on the side for quick finding apps you're looking for.
    • Resume-able Downloads - You can pause downloads at any time, and resume later. If you lose connection, Cydia will resume downloading as soon as you tell it to.












    Bottom line? Saurik has done some incredible work with Cydia. Bringing open source package installing to the iPhone is a first here, and since saurik stresses the fact that Cydia is still under active development, we can expect to see some great improvements to the app, which is already at version 1.0.

    Bravo.

    Developers - want your app on Cydia? Send cash7c3 or myself a pm with the link to your app, and we'll get it listed within 48 hours.
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    2008-02-29 08:11 AM
  2. eternal's Avatar
    hey,
    i have heard that we have to manually add sources by editing plists unlike installer. also i want to know that does all the previous repositories work with this app.
    thanks
    2008-02-29 09:57 AM
  3. saurik's Avatar
    hey,
    i have heard that we have to manually add sources by editing plists unlike installer. also i want to know that does all the previous repositories work with this app.
    thanks
    Cydia is a front-end for Debian APT. It is a completely different repository format that has been around for at least a decade (and as so is much more mature and supports many more important features than AppTapp). So, no, it doesn't support existing repositories, although various repositories (ModMyI being the first) are signing on for the new experience.

    The source editor will likely be done in a week, but yes, in the mean time you can happily add sources by creating a file /etc/apt/sources.list with them. (By the way, if you do a Google search for sources.list, you get almost a million and a half hits. Debian APT is _seriously_ documented.)
    2008-02-29 10:03 AM
  4. JoniB's Avatar
    how do i uninstall cydia?
    2008-02-29 02:27 PM
  5. Nettwerk's Avatar
    how do i uninstall cydia?
    rm -rf /Applications/Cydia.app
    2008-02-29 08:07 PM
  6. kyteflyer's Avatar
    So far so good. It will be excellent when other repositories move over to Cydia. Additionally, none of my existing apps seemed to need the old BSD subsystem so its all good
    2008-02-29 08:39 PM
  7. shakazulu's Avatar
    Great app. Like but I think it could become confusing for normal users.
    But works like a charm and great work.
    2008-03-01 11:52 AM
  8. prootZ's Avatar
    I tried to installer Pianist through Cydia

    It gave me this error
    "Cydia subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2"

    Tried to reinstall, but I just used the allready downloaded file, and same error.
    So either the package is corrupt or not working with 1.1.4 + cydia?

    Also a good idea would be to enable us to redownload if the file could be bad even if it passed the check
    Last edited by prootZ; 2008-03-01 at 05:17 PM.
    2008-03-01 05:14 PM
  9. raptorjr's Avatar
    I tried to installer Pianist through Cydia

    It gave me this error
    "Cydia subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2"

    Tried to reinstall, but I just used the allready downloaded file, and same error.
    So either the package is corrupt or not working with 1.1.4 + cydia?

    Also a good idea would be to enable us to redownload if the file could be bad even if it passed the check
    Got that error too. And the same error when i tried to install ToDoList.
    Cydia seems pretty cool, but so far i have never failed to install something through installer.

    Also, would be nice with a reinstall button for installed apps, and i like the queue feature in installer, maybe something for Cydia?

    Hopefully Cydia will become more popular because it has some great features that i miss in Installer.
    2008-03-01 10:31 PM
  10. gionatapiga's Avatar
    better than installer,no?
    2008-03-02 04:40 AM
  11. JedixJarf's Avatar
    O yes, better than installer. I would like to see this app replace installer soon.
    2008-03-02 05:16 AM
  12. wePhone's Avatar
    O yes, better than installer. I would like to see this app replace installer soon.
    That wouldn't be good...at all.
    2008-03-02 05:31 AM
  13. JedixJarf's Avatar
    That wouldn't be good...at all.
    Why?
    2008-03-02 05:34 AM
  14. n0m0n's Avatar
    Guess my only question is that I have learned that there is a 79 app limitation with 1.1.3.
    If one adds Cydia would that allow for double the apps?
    79 times 2?
    Thanks
    2008-03-02 06:05 AM
  15. gionatapiga's Avatar
    i don't think.but cydia will have a ton of apps soon.
    d'u seen the last version of open ssh(4.7) that's not available in installer?
    hope that cydia removes installer once for all.warning.
    don't upgrade bsd from installer.the installation of cydia provides to install the perfect version of bsd subsystem,that overwrite the old version.
    2008-03-02 06:30 PM
  16. cal6n's Avatar
    Cydia is the way forward.

    Massive respect to Installer! It was, and is, great but it's reached the limits of its design. The same can also be said for the BSD subsystem port. However, coders have now discovered where those limits are and are working to overcome them.

    The result is Cydia. It's not perfect but it's the next step!

    My sincere thanks to all concerned.
    Last edited by cal6n; 2008-03-02 at 11:59 PM. Reason: Needed more Cowbell!
    2008-03-02 11:55 PM
  17. Pl4ter's Avatar
    wow...great software. Thank you for share!
    2008-03-03 10:29 PM
  18. gionatapiga's Avatar
    pretty cool app. now waiting for moresources and realases
    2008-03-04 12:16 AM
  19. ShadyBeagle's Avatar
    So i tried out cydia from installer and now i cannot uninstall it can someone tell me how i can successfully uninstall cydia.
    MyPhone is better than yours
    2008-03-04 01:12 AM
  20. Hawaiian Modder's Avatar
    Hey just a suggestion for the UI.
    Instead of the Search button how bout have the little search bar on the Install, Changes and Uninstall pages, and then replace the Search button with a "Installing" button, that basically works like the iTunes Mobile Music store. That would be a massive improvement.

    So far I'm loving the app. I don't like how it symbolicly set up the applications (Didn't use bosstool), kinda confusing but w.e. Besides that great job.
    2008-03-04 03:15 AM
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